Chapter 244 Discussion - The Dark Descent

And another thing!

Kiernan gave her a strange look. “You can speak freely with me, my lady. I already know that it holds the process for purifying and draining beast cores of power without shattering them, allowing us to turn them into pure celerium that can be used as Conduits.”

She did this when she swallowed a beast core and the nightmare claimed credit. Obviously she couldn’t swallow a beast core the size of a pomelo - Myrddin’s conduit was that size - so if the nightmare is telling the truth perhaps he did trap some kind of sentience in Carnagore and used that to convert beast cores into celerium?

Or the nightmare was lying and it’s something to do with her particular bloodline? Or a trait specific to nulls? To be able to extract the magic and…metabolise it in some form? Presumably Myrddin would have found a way to copy this process without actually getting some poor sod to make a living swallowing and excreting rocks.

Edit: third option - the Sebastian body is specifically formulated for this kind of transformation. Look, I’m throwing every kind of batshit theory at the comments at this point. Is it Thursday yet?

Yes, this whole thread is becoming a review of all the pertinent information in books past. But how can I speculate at the contents of the future books without dissecting the information from the past books to death? :joy:

Also, since I’ve given up being reasonable and rational - casting through your own flesh is definitely bad, but what happens if you cast through someone else’s flesh? The question arises because of the number of times people have wondered if the Raven Queen’s spells are limited by the body she’s inhabiting.

The problem comes because you can’t stop casting, right? So if you were to cast through a Null, for example, who can’t actually cast magic, what would happen? For example if Siobhan had to absorb some terrible spell via her shadow and her magic went completely haywire and all her conduits shattered. Would she be able to grab onto Oliver and channel that magic through him?

Yes, that does have the potential to be a very romantic scene if you ignore all the ethical implications. Why yes, I might have fan fiction percolating in my head. No, I’m not going to write it. Probably.

Probably collecting every romantic interaction between Siobhan and Oliver was a mistake. I have them on the brain now.

The floor on this level was polished marble instead of wood, and held a huge Circle with the symbol of an eleven-pointed star within. Beyond the boundary of the columns, several smaller Circles ringed the room.

“The building was originally built by a group of wealthy time-travel enthusiasts,” Deidre said with a wry twist of her lips. “They ended up massacring themselves in a magical accident about eight years ago. It was extremely gruesome, apparently, and word of the details spread quickly along with some rumors that the place retained traces of their magic, leaving people reluctant to buy it. Which is why the Undreaming Order was able to rent it for so cheap.”

Tosses more time travel evidence on the flaming pile of baseless speculation

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That seems appropriate for this week’s discussion, actually.

Hey, while you’re at it, do you have any extra tin foil hats? I don’t think I’m the only one who likes a ton of these ideas. We might need hats in bulk…

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Could I interest you in a tin foil big top circus tent instead? All of the protection, none of the hat hair…

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We could all fit into a circus tent… Sounds perfect!

I have this awful feeling that Amber’s doorways don’t just go through space, but that they go through time, and Siobhan is about to have a wild ride - maybe being forced to witness her past.

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Oh that’s a good tinfoil hat theory, have you seen all the time travel “evidence” I posted above? Imagine if she ends up having to run around as a thirteen year old trying to avoid all the deaths that happened before. Or as her adult self dodging everyone trying to fix things. But if she fixes things then we end up with a paradox! So maybe she just needs to figure out the spell that’s trapping the aberrant in her head.

I wonder how her raven connection would hold up with her time travelling? Because time would be passing for her - and thus exhaustion building - but no time at all would be passing for the raven. Maybe she unlocks infinite wakefulness and spends 8 years in a tower with books she stole from grandfather learning magic until she catches up in time?

Another massive leap in power for the Raven Queen! And now when Thaddeus asks her how old she is she can be like “twenty eight!” ??? “Yeah, it was a long jaunt in the netherworld.”

I’ve been wondering about making yet another comment full of quotes from Siobhan’s lullaby and Myrddin’s references to the land of dreams and the whole thing about the Black Wastes maybe being an Aberrant but I’m already wrung out from all the other conspiracies :joy:

I’m almost done with my reread and I’ve been dragging it out so I can have a few chapters to self soothe before the next release tonight.

It’s Thursday! Thursday! Chapter releases on Thursday!

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Siobhan’s blood divined back to Sebastien’s body in general, so I don’t see why Siobhan’s hair wouldn’t lead back to unprotected remnants of Sebastien’s body.

She didn’t convert the beast core to celerium though, it came out the other end still as a beast core, just a nearly depleted one, like you would get if someone used all of the energy through normal casting. I’m pretty sure that Azalea explicitly clarified this at some point since most of us were suspicious, but I can’t remember where.

Now this song (to the tune of Rebecca Black’s Friday) is gonna be in my head every week.

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Ah, I clearly missed her comment wherever it was. I’ve just finished my reread of everything and I return to paw sadly at the wild theories once more.

Chapter releases for me are actually very early Friday usually, so the Rebecca Black song is actually even more apt, but 1AM-2AM Friday really feels like Thursday, doesn’t it?

13 hours or so. I endure.

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Yes! If anything, I think you inspired that concern. :joy: that, and my eternal concern that doorways might not be what they seem.

It’s ok.. Save your energy for the next chapter thread. We might all be way, way off!

That’s a really good catch - I didn’t remember at all.

Thank you both for posting today - it’s been a long month since I woke up this morning, and getting the email notifications reminded me that it is indeed Thursday!

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Ngl, I’m bouncing in my chair with YouTube on one screen and my emails on another as I hasten the death of my poor chair by vibrating in place waiting for the notification to come through.

I did not reread slowly enough, even with jumping back and forth to post quotes and suppositions :joy: there’s no way I’m going to bed until I see be chapter.

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How about the Honeymoon Suite? It’s good for the soul. :joy:

Normally I’d be right there with you, but it’s been a crazy day here :woman_shrugging:

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When I say I reread everything - eeeeeverything. Honeymoon Suite, Good Advice, Moonsable, all of them :joy:

Maybe I should have reread Catastrophe Collector but poor Percy is being left in the cold until the next book comes out.

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Excellent compliation.

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I’ve been wondering if the Aberrant thing in her head was one of the creatures she saw in the Aberrant mirror her grandfather turned into - and that those creatures were probably spirit world creatures. That’s my theory at least.