Love Interests!

I mean, there’s a difference between a schoolgirl who’s been fairly sheltered all her life (yes, awful family, but still) that he’s just seen playing a childish game with her friends and one he met first as a mysterious sorcerer on the run who’s experienced tragedy after tragedy and moved all over the place with a conman for a father and who’s now the most wanted criminal in the city. Plus, she’s audacious and we know Oliver enjoys that:

Oliver turned to look at her fully, his eyebrows lifting. He was disappointed to see no mocking self-awareness in her eyes, and not even a hint of real audacity. No, she had opened the conversation with a trite one-liner, probably memorized and used on any man she found attractive

Ah, I’ve found the bit where he considers the proposal:

He was surprised that they would consider him a viable match for a young girl from such a prestigious background, as a non-Crown Family member, and a foreigner to boot. He was wealthy, true, but marrying into the Gervin Family would be a huge boost to his social standing.

An inappropriately large boost, in the eyes of many.

Margaret was probably only sounding out his feelings on the matter. It seemed ludicrous that the Gervins would consider him a serious candidate.

That thought was reassuring. The other students entering the University were even younger than Siobhan, and no matter how advantageous it might be, the thought of tying himself to someone he didn’t respect, for life, was enough to make his clothes feel too tight and his skin prickle.

She’s younger than Siobhan and he doesn’t respect her (or thinks he wouldn’t).

As for life expectancy…I have a couple of thoughts on this. Firstly, she’s likely to outlive any of her romantic partners if we just go by how things are at the moment. Myrddin lived several hundred years longer than other thaumaturges of his time. She might find other loves after her first dies, or she might just dedicate herself fully to magic.

The other possibility is that she works out a way to extend the lives of others. After all, most of growing old is because your cells start to create faulty copies over time. If you happened to be living with the greatest thaumaturge of all time and she happened to make a replica of your body at its prime, down to the smallest details and “reset” your cells back to that template and healed away the damage - yes, Nulls are resistant to magic but it does still work on them, so she’d have to pour some power into it - I think she could extend his life as long as hers.

After all, look at what she did with Bear and everyone thought he was a hopeless case. She added years onto his life.

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I think she is unlikely to castrate a 100 stray humans but I take your point.

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Okay but hear me out…a magical vasectomy clinic.

Cough.

Let’s move swiftly past that. I’m sure she could find a solution that doesn’t involve blood magic to extend someone’s life :face_with_tears_of_joy: She just needs to understand the human body better!

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OK – Listen here – H A N N A H!!

Damien is a hufflepuff. I will admit it. He is loyal and goofy and he still needs to mature. But what we are forgetting that is EXACTLY why he is a great match for S. We forget given the experiences S has been through in her/his life, that although shes mature for her age, she is still a teen/young adult! What S needs is uncomplicated, goofy, innocent teen romance to show her there is more to life than running for your life and always living on the edge. Damien will be loyal to a fault, and this is something S has never really had in her life. It will be fun and flirty and low stress. It may not be her soulmate in life, but its the experience S needs now to see another side of life and grow as a person. S would scoff in the beginning at Damien and his friends antics, but overtime discovered their low-stress antics was meaningful to her. She/he didn’t know until S experienced it for herself.

BARF OLIVER LORD STAG. He is so manipulative and weird and strange. Exactly what S DOESN"T need in her life right now. She has plenty of that already.

Lacer in my mind is castrated and he shouldn’t have sex/relationships. Much like you don’t imagine your parents – EWWW!

I said what I said. #Damiensnumber1fan #damien5ever

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She’s not a teenager anymore! She’s nearly 21!

I love the shenanigans she gets up to with Damien, I don’t want to ruin that with angst. Don’t you remember how terrible and dramatic teenage relationships were?

Poor Damien would be done dirty, always falling behind the person he loves and watching her getting further and further away. Why would you do that to the poor puppy?

Oliver might be manipulative, but it’s not like Siobhan doesn’t know how to play that game either. As the Raven Queen she can play people very well, and yes, sometimes intentionally. She also rolled with Oliver’s suggested theatrics to manipulate Damien!

You know what terrifies me the most with Damien? I think he’ll be fine with her being Raven Queen, he’ll get over that. But if he finds out the secret society is fake he will never get over it. HE CAN NEVER KNOW, IT WILL BREAK HIS SQUISHY PUPPY HEART.

I am that person with a hatchet out to protect the puppy in a story. If the puppy gets hurt, I swear to god…

But anyway, just because I think Damien is the Bestest Boy doesn’t mean I think he and Siobhan go together. He’ll be all like “love me! Include me! Why are you not spending time with me?” and she’ll be like “Go AWAY, I’m trying to split the atom to generate power for the entire city so we can stop burning coal!”

I think Ana is even too old for Damien. I think when Nat is old enough and over her Sebastien fixation she might make a play for Damien. Or maybe Betty. Think about it - Betty is a mysterious cultist and she’s linked to Titus and Sebastien. He’ll find her irresistible and want to get to know her better so he can investigate what’s going on!

Imagine Siobhan’s reaction if she walks in and finds Damien at one of her services…:face_with_tears_of_joy:

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WELL OK! I thought they were all like 17-19 age range since like two semesters in academy setting. Shes 20 and Lord Stag is 30. BUT STILL A YOUNG ADULT. 20 is basically the new teenage. (I say this as I tell myself 30s is the new 20s… right?? RIGHT?) Damien is puppy love BUT THAT MAKES IT GREAT!! Damien will grow too in maturity while S learns to be more in the moment. It would be a great first romance, even if its not a long-term love. Technically, the order is kinda real now with her handing out those stars. If anything that he’d find hurtful, its that shes the leader as the raven queen…

I can see your points though. I guess outside of Damien, I just dont get excited about any of the ‘potential’ love interests. Sorry Azalea…but Oliver just needs to go away LOL (maybe he can have a redemption arc)

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I mean, apart from Oliver not confessing that he had the original book stolen (tbh, when exactly was a good time to confess that?) and trying to explain himself instead of just straight up apologising (which, again, I kinda understand because many people try and explain so that the other person can understand their point of view. It would have felt worse if he’d given a slick apology - watching him stumble with Siobhan in a way he doesn’t with anyone else does show how much she affects him) what did he do so wrong?

He got her to agree to a 50% interest loan - well, technically that was Katerin and all that money is going to a variety of good causes.

The guy is literally pouring all his money into trying to make the world a better place, even if he gets his hands dirty. He’s not an idealist who yearns for a better world without doing anything, he’s a revolutionary. Revolutionaries can’t be nice people - nice people don’t upset the status quo. Nice people will write letters and try to persuade nice, reasonable people to listen to their points of view and compromise. Nice people get overrun by unreasonable people.

Revolutionaries are willing to get covered in the mud in order to effect real change. They’re willing to lie, kill and steal to stop the bastards getting their way. Oliver does bad things for good reasons - he gets people into debt so they owe him favours so he has people who are willing to help him with his efforts. He works with smugglers to get plants so he can start secret farms to feed people. He kills criminals rather than let them go free to be an asset to his enemies. His goals are for the greater good of all people which is lofty and sweeping and means some people will get hurt if they get in the way. A nice person would stop because of that - but that means more people would suffer in the long term. More people hungry and starving in the streets. More waifs like Betty dying in the winter. More injustice.

He’s not just a bloody minded revolutionary. He’s a man who genuinely appreciates Siobhan. He thinks she’s fascinating, beautiful, regal. He buys her gifts that will keep her safe or increase her prestige. When they fight he feels genuine emotional pain and feels like he’s lost something truly precious and that it was more bitter than he could have imagined.

He was so torn up about it he went to Katerin for advice and let her scold him and tell him why he was wrong. He apologised to Siobhan.

People are so harsh on Oliver, and I think it’s because Siobhan was genuinely so upset by the whole thing - and part of it is because she really liked him and the other part is because once she suspected him of one thing she started to believe their whole relationship was fake, and that he even set up her name to be part of his plots. She thought that was more likely than him making a mistake.

Honestly, he’s so slick most of the time that it’s shocking how badly he stumbles when it comes to Siobhan. If he didn’t care so much, he would probably be much smoother, much better able to keep control of the conversation - if he didn’t care so badly about trying to make her understand he probably would have apologised and explained that at first he couldn’t tell her because he didn’t know her, but he missed his time to tell her and that she could ask whatever she wanted because she deserved the truth.

Despite starting everything on a lie of omission he has been very honest with her about everything else. Who he is. His hopes and dreams. His motivations and plans.

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Oh I forgot, I think the others are a couple years younger than her since she’s a little older than the average age of the university students.

So Damien might be 17-18. Although he was a year older when applying to university than Titus was, so more likely 18?

Primarily the excessive interest on the loans and keeping information like the book away from her. But I feel like he’s always half between “I like her” and “what can I get from her.” I get they were very forward about their transactional relationship, but it just feels very creepy to me. Oliver knows her real identity. There is no reason for S to betray Oliver and I feel like that should be enough for Oliver to put all cards on the table for S without worrying. Since he hasn’t fully, even now, I just dont see him getting there.

I wanna go to magical university with you and Stef.

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To be fair, Siobhan is the transactional one. She refused to believe that his goodwill came from nowhere - and she wasn’t wrong - but it did kinda set the tone, constantly trying to figure out what people want from her when they’re being nice.

The first time she really understands that someone can be nice without a motive was when Lacer gave her the conduit.

If Oliver wasn’t trying to bargain with her all the time she’d feel suspicious and wary. The bargaining makes her feel more comfortable and like she’s on even footing. Even when he gives her gifts she assumes it’s to manipulate her rather than just because he wanted to make her happy.

Also, a 50% loan was an outrageous offer and probably given expecting her to argue it down. The fact that she didn’t was a win for Katerin who probably couldn’t believe someone would take it.

Also, yes, I would love to quit my job and go become a thaumaturge :face_with_tears_of_joy:

God, I’d be just like Siobhan. Magic is so cool I’d be studying all the time to learn new tricks. All these conceptual twists as well to modify existing spells to be better.

I dunno about Stef though. I think she might end up brewing love potions in the bathroom and cackling like a mad woman. I bet she’d have Brinn and Waverley dating in under a month.

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Omg. I would love to quit my job and go become a thaumaturge as well. I would be like living in the library studying. I would be like Siobahn too.

I would want to learn all these fun spells to be sneaky and spy. Start an informal student information network of gossip and sell it for coin so I can buy cool ingredients to do my spellwork.

Stef would be part of the love network department

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It does feel a little like the first two books were written expecting a Stag/Raven pairing, but their personalities don’t really work for it. And while yes, S is older than Ana and thus has less of an age gap with Oliver, S isn’t that much older.

Much as I like Damien, there is no way a relationship would work out long term. I don’t think he can (or frankly should) forgive the lying and scheming S has done to him.

Lacer - honestly once he finally figures out that Sebastian is Siobhan, I doubt he would be able to stomach a romantic relationship.

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You are all making excellent points in favor of the one TRUE love interest, the entity trapped inside her head!

  • She doesn’t really have an even footing with anyone else, but she and this entity literally share a single pair of feet! How much more even could you get?!
  • Tsunderes are very popular, presumably for a reason and while the entity says things to Siobhan that are cold, aloof, and antagonistic towards Siobhan, we also see it acting to protect her, even risking its life to do so! Total tsundere!
  • Enemies to lovers is also rather popular.
  • They’ve known each other the longer than Siobhan and any other potential love interest and share a much stronger bond!
  • Who could be better for her than someone who knows her inside and out, someone who understands her every choice, want, and need of the past decade, someone who has (been) stuck with her through all of the bad times and all of the good times?
  • Siobhan actively tries to avoid thinking about the entity? Sounds like someone trying to suppress a crush to me!
  • One flesh, one end!.. Oh, wait, which series are we talking about again?
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So… Why aren’t we asking for this as some of the bonus content voting options?

I mean, last time we got the masterpiece that was the Honeymoon Suite. Now we have the opportunity to ask for Inner Demons to Lovers…

Yes, I am a bad influence. Yes, you can chase me with pitchforks. :woman_shrugging:

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Two weeks. Bet.

They already had their meet cute, already adore each other, and seem like they don’t spend much time apart. I would just have to orchestrate Waverly’s accidental trip into Brinn’s arms, a group outing that everyone else had to skip last minute - leaving the two of them, and an overbooked inn so that they had to sleep in the same bed. Maybe I’d conjure up a storm so that it’s really freaking cold.

If necessary, I could probably brew a love triangle to make Waverly jealous.

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Damien, Damien, he’s our man!!!

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