Chapter 0.2 (PGTS Book 7 Prologue) Weekly Discussion - "An Ancient Relic"

Do you guys remember the Archaeologist? He was featured in the very first chapter in this series, and then again in Chapter 183: Book 4 “The Archaeologist.”

His most memorable line: “In the Black Wastes, a bush isn’t just a bush. Or it might not be a bush the next time you look. Maybe it’s grown eyeballs, or you try to wipe your butt with one of the leaves and suddenly it’s turned into a tongue—” He shuddered, then leaned in and whispered, “That actually happened to one of the team. I won’t say who. You may think it sounds funny, or that I’m joking, but I assure you, when such a thing actually happens to you, it is a deeply horrifying experience.”

This is what I remember every time I think of him.

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Ooh, so the Archaeologist could sense either the Crown, or the Aberrant. Makes me wonder, could that have implications for the Black Wastes? Could they have been the result of a Brillig who broke when they glimpsed a Titan? And if so, was that what Claudio was in the process of doing to Siobhan’s village? So many questions

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I do remember the Archaeologist! I remember wondering what had happened to him after his escape.

What a fascinating glimpse into his mind. No, he’s not sane and yes, he is somewhat broken, but he talks of gaining things - I wonder what? It feels like he’s on the very verge of shattering, dancing on the knife edge and slipping over every now and then. I wonder if he’s got a split consciousness like Siobhan, with notes he doesn’t remember writing?

I wonder if he’s sensing Siobhan, casting her Crown of Madness.

Does he feel the spirit realm instinctively as one of his gains or does he have a passenger of his own?

So many questions, so much speculation - I’ll be waiting with bated breath for next Thursday!

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Might be a stretch but he reminds me somewhat of an Aberrant. The same way their prior identity is reduced to the intent of whatever magic they were casting before the break, Edgar became only what he was when exposed to the Black Wastes. He’s no longer interested in anything not aligned with archeology and is driven to pursue that purpose.

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I agree with the comment that he’s like an Aberrant, but I don’t think he’s only interested in archeology. That’s why I felt he was teetering on the brink but not yet over.

He still eats. He still sleeps. He is still human. He has thoughts and feelings and considers his former self fearful and ignorant for his racism. He has trouble with his memory.

So while I think there’s similarities to an Aberrant, I don’t think that he himself is one. Not yet.

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We know that being physically in the spirit realm is not good for ones sanity, we also know that the black wastes make people go insane with prolonged exposure. Maybe the black wastes are a area where the mundane realm and the spirit realm closely overlap?

The archeologist was exposed just enough to make him insane/other in a way no longer entirely compatible with the mundane realm. S now probably unlocking something in relation to the spirit realm (given that she has aparently remnants of TWO aberants in her mind that relate closely with other realms and the spirit realm in particular) could be the event we see described at the end bc the archeologist is more closely “aligned” than the average person. (or its pronounced enough to be felt by everyone which could be problematic).

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What he reminds me of is the villagers who came under the influence of the Builder of Dreams. Obsessed and unable to take care of themselves.

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In a way he is taking care of himself. He’s been to the Church of the Radiant Maiden for help as well as the Undreaming Order. He’s still alive. He cares enough to stuff his boots with newspaper to keep himself warm and hopes for extra socks as charity.

The problem is that he’s not all there mentally, he keeps forgetting things. He can’t navigate, his sense of direction is shot. He can’t remember the safe alleyways to sleep in.

Considering the poor guy escaped from a mental asylum he’s not doing too badly. I really think his psyche has fractured - you remember when Siobhan left after Lacer tried to erase her memories? She lost a chunk of time where she changed her plan, transformed into Sebastien and headed in a different direction. She also ended up developing another split in her Will.

This is, frankly, what I suspect the most with the Archaeologist. If he became stable enough to cast, I have a strong suspicion that he could dual cast.

And now he’s seeking someone or something out - and it’s very likely Siobhan.

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He regards himself as a different person from both Edgar and the earlier version of The Archeologist, he no longer feels any connection to his previous convictions or fears and no connection to people around him aside from their usefulness to him, he feels the thoughts and magic of the people around him, and he is driven only by a single purpose

Tbh it seems fair to say that he is at least mostly an Aberrant, which might not be as much of a binary state as we previously might’ve believed.

Maybe people can slowly transform into aberrants without any one dramatic single break event where they make a full change?

Maybe he is a formless aberrant bound to human flesh like Siobhan might be if the thing inside her took over?

Maybe the things we associate with being an aberrant are symptoms that have a shared cause with spiritual unmooring, and not actually directly caused by being an aberrant, and just as it is possible for a human to have these same side-effects, it might be possible for Aberrants not to experience them? Is that what a titan was? An aberrant without those qualities?

I agree in part, but I’m always wary of ascribing too much to the supernatural when there’s a mundane reason that would cover it (which is a theme that is repeated often in this series and is why Siobhan has become the Raven Queen - though the argument can be made that she’s often dense to the opposite situation).

Yes, he feels like a different person to Edgar and to his previous iteration(s?). He’s also gone through massive trauma and literal life changing events. These things can have a massive effect on people and make them reevaluate their lives and themselves. Add to this that he’s not fully sane and (I suspect) his brain is not working in entirely normal ways anymore. He likely has extra senses on top of everything which is fairly mind bending in its own way. Some part of him with similar thought patterns has been writing in his journal thoughts he has no memory of having. I wouldn’t call it a split personality but a splintered mind where the shards have the same personality. Although maybe not all of them.

One thing is incongruous to me - he no longer hates and fears those different to him, but when he became agitated in the mental hospital he spoke of “that water bitch” and his way of speaking became meaner, more fearful, more suspicious, more like the original Edgar.

We don’t always know our own minds, and I would imagine that’s especially true when you have parts of your psyche that are completely divorced from each other.

When this happened to Siobhan she spent days piecing her mind back together and repairing the damage. She hasn’t been losing time since.

I’d be very interested to see what happens if she spends time trying to use the same technique on the Archaeologist.

There are definitely similarities between the cases, but I’d argue there are still massive differences as well. To me, the biggest is that the Archaeologist still feels human and has human concerns. He feels like a shattered, mentally unstable human, but a human nonetheless. The aberrant the was once Claudio did not feel human. He was distinctly alien, mimicking human behaviours. He did it well enough to fool others, but he was in full command of himself.

I pause here to reflect on Moonsable, who was possibly an incomplete aberrant. She broke using very minor magic and wanted to be beautiful, so her aberrant reflected that desire, taken to the extreme. But in the light she became a broken, twisted and pained human once more, although her mind was much less coherent than you’d expect. I would say that that is evidence of the aberrant state being less well understood and less binary.

The Archaeologist has no anomalous effect. As far as I can tell he hasn’t even attempted to cast anything, though I’d be intrigued to find out how he got out of the asylum without doing so. He thinks of ancient knowledge, yes. But he’s not like a junky craving his next hit of magic, which makes me think he hasn’t cast through his flesh.

My parting thought is this: the Brillig are widely thought to have created the Black Wastes. The Brillig were capable of multicasting. Siobhan, with her fractured but whole mind is capable of the same. The Archaeologist, who has gone into the Black Wastes, has a fractured mind that is disjointed and his magical capability is unknown.

I am hoping for a Christmas chapter from Azalea tonight :joy: it would be the best.

Would it put any of this speculation to rest? Probably not, knowing her love of cliffs! Am I craving my next hit of Siobhan’s story, anyway? You better believe it.

She said it will be a day later due to Christmas under the last patreon post

Thanks! I’m still counting it as a Christmas present :joy:

I must have missed that post, but I’m glad she’s taking the day to herself!

I am convinced Moonsable was a complete aberrant. The retention of her prior self’s thoughts and memories was part of her fixation when she broke.

I’m willing to believe it. I just know she was unusual, which might be due to her weakness as a thaumaturge.

You know rereading, Edgar rather seems like a Aberrant, or a Spirit himself. I feel like the porosity of the black waste helped form a sort of transition wherein all that was left was that narrative purpose of the Archaeologist. Like a spirit, wherein its stability being hurt by lies likely stems from how differentiation from the information that makes up the spirit realm being quite relative. That dynamic can be tread on or more accurately kind of contradicted by being in others prescences, he isnt stably defined. He has a name but his essence isnt lovked in any way towards being unviolable.

I really do wonder if similar things arent how the Fey and even possibly some of those other planes might not have come into existance. Derivations from that myriad soup that managed to be stable narratives. Might explain why the Radiant Maiden is somrwhat humanoid.

Also the description here does fit my idea of the spirit world effecively being a akashic zone of information from the mundane that has accrued, maybe since life started. It would fundamentally make sense of at its core the boundary between the spirit and mundane isnt entirely thick. Like the spirit perhaps is always updated in mirror to the mundane, thus the need of specificity in focusing in it. Because in essence many things arent that different in base constitution.

And with the call came the impression of time and timelessness both, of a place where echoes of everything since the beginning remained.

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Do Aberrants need socks in the winter? This is the question. :joy:

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